11% say yes and some of the responses online of how he does it include spend more time in swing states like florida and ohio, release his taxes, one of you said, and another, simply "he doesn't." that does it for us on this hour of msnbc, the place for politics. we'll toss it down to washington with my colleague peter alexander. welcome back, pal, good to see you. >> nice to see you, hallie. we are in washington today. the candidates aggressively targeting critical swing states. they are holding duelling events to take place any moment during the course of this hour. donald trump, you see that picture on the right side of your screen, he will be taking the stage any moment now thin virginia beach, virginia. hillary clinton, fittingly, is on the left to make things easier for you at home. in tampa, florida, the venues, no coincidence, both of these cities are home to some of these this country's largest military

bases. clinton spoke to reporters for the second day in a row aboard her new brand new stronger together stamped campaign plane. not wasting any opportunity to hit trump on failing to release his tax returns. >> the scams, the frauds, the questionable relationships, the business activities that have stiffed workers, refused to pay small businesses. so clearly his tax returns tell a story that the american people deserve and need to know. >> we're going to bring you the remarks from each of the candidates when they begin speaking but first our reporters are on the ground. we've got everything covered. we begin with msnbc's kasie hunt who follows the clinton campaign. she's joining us from the clinton event to take place in tampa. right out of the gates i want to talk about what we've witnessed over the course of the last frous, for a lot of americans tuning into this election for the beginning of the home

stretch, they're watching a strategic shift happening in realtime. explain the strategy behind clinton's effort to sort of embrace the media, a candidate who for so long had been viewed as somebody who kept them at arm's length. >> well, she has kept reporters at arm's length for the course of most of this campaign and it had been 276 days since she she had had a press conference and as somebody who tries regularly to get her to have a quick conversation on a rope line in an event like this it's very difficult to get anything out of her or at least it was until yesterday until yesterday when she started talking to her t press. she did it yesterday talking to the press, she did it on a flight from tampa for 20 minutes and she wasted no time going after donald trump. take a look. >> the american public has factored into their assessment of him that that's the kind of

guy he is, right? and a lot of this behavior coming from him seems to be expected somehow. and that's fine if you're a reality tv star or you're a real estate developer. i don't think it is fine if you want to be president of the united states. >> it's an interesting microcosm of what the clinton campaign strategy is. you heard hillary clinton giving voice to herself this idea that they're trying to make him completely unacceptable as a potential president to the point they're separating out republicans, conservatives and saying this is not the same thing. you heard her speak to it a little bit there. i'm curious to see how long this strategy lasts, to a certain extent it will depend on how it seems to go and how she feels about these interactions but in many ways it defuses a line of attack the trump campaign has been ramping up over recent weeks that she doesn't talk to the media, that she's hiding from americans, things along

those lines and they play into narratives we're seeing start to move the polls. this race has tightened over the last couple of weeks. the clinton campaign pushing back aggressively on this cnn poll. but the idea that she's not trustworthy, this is designed to push back against that. >> i want to talk specifically about the event we're about to see taking place right now. the focus towards september 11 later in the week, the week will focus on military, the commander-in-chief forum to take place now barely 24 hours away when both clinton and trump get their opportunity to address americans on this topic. clinton, of course, the seasoned former secretary of state. strategically, what do they hope to accomplish in terms of a distinction with the remarks today and that event tomorrow evening? >> peter, one of the places you first saw hillary clinton hit her ride in running against donald trump in the wake of the primary was that national security speech he gave in san diego. and she really seems to find a groove and to be comfortable

launching attacks on him as a not plausible commander-in-chief. to go back to what we were talking about before, you'll hear more of that from the stage here tonight in tampa, the home of mcdill air force base, the headquarters of centicomm where they are running operations going on in the middle east so we'll see something that's more of a conversation so i think on the one hand you'll have her continuing to campaign tomorrow she'll show the depth of her experience. >> tampa, florida, home to mcdill air force base, the proud home of the sixth air mobility wing. kasie hunt is at the university of south florida. casey, thank you. we'll wait to hear from hillary clinton momentarily. i want to get to our colleague jacob rascone. he follows the trump campaign joining us from the candidates' town hall to take place a similar topic in virginia beach,

another military town. they'll likely talk about military preparedness. it's a town hall style event, jacob. the trump campaign notably trying to set the tone for the week releasing this letter of i think it was nearly 90, 88 generals and commanders endorsing trump. what is strategically the goal for donald trump and his effort to sort of show him to be the stronger candidate going forward? >> throughout his campaign he's described himself as an advocate for veterans, one of his first positions still on his web site is about reforming the v.a., making the v.a. great again, as he likes to say. throughout his campaign he mentions them in almost every rally, he gets his biggest applause lines on what he talks about and a lot of those who go to his rallies are veterans. you mentioned this town hall here. you have one chair for donald trump and one for retired lieutenant general michael flynn and behind him on the stage you

have veterans and after this event he'll be talking to family members of veterans as well. but he's also run into, as you know, trouble on the campaign trail with regard to veterans starting early last year talking about john mccain how he liked war heroes who were not captured and he's tried to make up for that in january. he skipped a debate and held a fund-raiser for veterans and more recently the khan family controversy. he just -- these unforced errors with the military community have been very difficult and so this letter, the campaign hopes, will really help them in that regard. 88, as we mentioned, retired generals and other military officers. the strategy seems to be just continue to talk about veterans and veterans issues. this town hall is one of those. he wants to bole sister that part of his campaign strategy and feeling about the veterans

going into tomorrow. >> worth noting today we come out with new numbers at nbc news, our survey monkey poll showing the race remains steady, the backdrop for the final stretch as clinton has about a six-point lead by our numbers, cnn coming out with a different poll that shows the race much tighter, even has trump within the margin of error, up two points right now. both campaigns are about to make this thing about the other guy or gal as it were. the trump campaign landed some unwanted scrutiny in recent days, people not paying close attention to this over the holiday, for its deals with the florida attorney general pam bondi. what more can you tell us about the latest on that and these allegations, at least of pay for pl play. >> right, this comes at a time we have been talking about the clinton foundation. now we have the same allegations for the trump foundation. ? 2013 the trump foundation gave a $25,000 donation to a political

committee that was involved with pam bondi's reelection bid, the florida attorney general. the timing is interesting because it came four days after pam bondi announced she was considering joining an investigation into an alleged fraud at trump university and later it ended up that the florida attorney general's office decided not to join that investigation we're learning about this now because a complaint was made and trump was forced to pay and we confirmed he did pay this, a $2,500 fine to the irs because the trump foundation was not supposed to give a donation to a political committee. so two issues here. the fact the trump foundation gave a donation to a political committee and the fact it came during the time when pam bondi announced she was considering joining this investigation and ended up not doing that.

over the months we've heard trump talk about how as a businessman he gave donations to politicians and he said essentially "i got what i wanted, that's how the game was played." he pitches that as one of the reasons he's uniquely qualified, he said to break up that corrupt system. so similar questions now for him and the trump foundation. peter? >> nbc's jacob rascon, our man today tasked with the great challenge of trying to speak through an ovation in the background. we think we'll see donald trump and the lieutenant general in a moment. joining me now the former new mexico governor bill richardson, of course, also the former u.s. ambassador to the u.n. he, we should note, endorsed secretary clinton. governor, nice to see you, appreciate your time. >> thank you, peter. >> so while secretary clinton builds a bit of a lead in early august coming out of the conventions, the most recent polling suggests donald trump is at least starting to gain on her. this certainly remains a close race. no matter what polls you look at. nbc projects clinton has enough

electoral votes for the moment to win but clearly this thing we have a long way to go, 63 days, nine more weeks, to do this. what does she need to do to shore up states where her support is sliding and, as i ask you to answer that question, i want to let our audience know donald trump has taken the stage. when they begin speaking, we'll take you there. what does she need to do immediately? >> well, immediately i think the commander-in-chief argument is the best one. here's her opponent who disrespects military families, veterans, who wants to move ahead with an isolationist foreign policy, wants to get into trade wars with china and mexico. she needs to convey he's not fit to be president. he doesn't have the temperament, he doesn't have the national security support that he needs, especially from republican national security experts. this is why he got all these generals because a majority of national security republicans

are against him. so i think the commander-in-chief, secretary clinton is somebody that has experienced, she was the architect of the iran sanctions, she started our relationship with nato, she traveled more than any other secretary of state. >> and people are certainly familiar -- >> she's accepted by the international community. >> sorry to interrupt you. americans well familiar with her resume as we look at donald trump on the stage in virginia beach. we'll take the audience there when he begins speaking. but specifically about donald trump, what is the real challenge? has the bar been set too low by the clinton campaign and secretary clinton's surrogates that if he comes off at the debates and this town hall today and the commander in chief forum as anything less than a, i dare say, lunatic or crazy as some have suggested that he's going to look like a viable alternative? >> well, i don't think so, peter, i think his trip to mexico was a disaster because it exposed -- he wasn't serious about immigration reform when he

signalled that. he wants to give japan nuclear weapons. he wants to take our troops out of north korea and south korea. he is endangering the nato alliance in europe, our key alliance, he's an isolationist, a trade war with china. the commander-in-chief argument is the strongest one, russia, he wants to play ball with putin. putin is not helping us, putin has been against us on crimea, he's been against us on nato. >> americans are looking at the situation with isis as they read about frequent headlines about attacks in different parts of the globe, including attacks here in america, perhaps not isis directed and isis inspired about the continued back-and-forth with china and russia and the u.s. underscored by conversations between vladimir putin and president obama just this week overseas in asia. is the status quo, as it were, in terms of our foreign policy

good enough? is it working? >> well, the status quo basically is stability, you want to have relationships, you want to have a relationship with our asian allies donald trump wants to change that. >> but syria people would say isn't stable. they would argue that's an unstable area. >> you want to keep the nato alliance to fight isis. you want to keep our european coalition fighting isis and here is trump degrading the relationship with great britain, degrading nato, saying he wants to have them pay militia, maybe even pull out. i mean, this is really unacceptable. what is he saying about isis? he has no strategy, he's going to bomb them to death, he's going to waterboard. you have a lot of generals in our military basically questioning whether they can go ahead and carry out his orders. >> i want to take our audience to virginia beach, donald trump has the mike, let's listen.

>> we have no clue, hillary clinton said everything is working just fine. she doesn't know that people are standing online for seven days to see a doctor. they're dying online. and we came out with a 10-point plan on the web site and you'll see it if you want. i'm sure most of you have seen it but it's been praised by the veterans and veterans groups and the fact is the v.a. is -- the veterans administration and waiting and all of the problems and you do have some good doctors in there but people can't see the doctors because the administration, the bureaucratic workings of the veterans administration are a total disaster and what i've done and looked at and you know all t the rate of suicide and the problems and numbers that honestly are not even believable when you hear 22 people a day 2, 2 people a day. these are numbers you wouldn't think is believable and a lot is because of the fact they can't get better. they have no service whatsoever. and it's been really, really

badly handled. one of the things i've done is we allow when that wait is so long and horrible and sometimes by the way a simple procedure or simple prescription just a very simple thing can make a person's life wonderful health wise and they can't get to see the doctor we have a plan where if you have a wait, you're going to go down the road a few miles away, you'll see a doctor, a really good doctor, you'll get taken care of 100% or you're going to go and go to a local hospital whether it's public or private, get taken care of and your government is going to pay your bill. you'll be all set. >> that's a promise. that's great. >> it should have been done a long time ago. >> along that line specifically, because you talked about this with female veterans and i think this is just very, very important because of the size of the -- the scale of the number

of females we have in our military serving as volunteers. talk about what you have described as how you would take care of them. >> the female veterans have been like the forgotten people and i think it started because it was -- you know obviously a while ago there were far fewer and they haven't increased that capacity and now you have tremendous numbers of female vets and we are going to do procedures that they've never done. we are going to help the female veter veteran. they have been left behind even more so than our male veterans. they've been left behind. and it's not going to happen. we're going to straighten it out. we'll give them also the right if things aren't being done right they'll have the right to go to a local doctor or physician or local hospital and whether it's public or private, which ever one is most convenient and better frankly and they'll get themselves taken

care of whether it's male or female and that's so important and the other issue that's so important is mental health. the mental health problem is such a massive problem in the v.a. and that's something we'll devote a tremendous amount of time to. it's not just amount of money. the money they're spending is tremendously -- it's a huge amount of money that they're currently spending. but there are people that are incompetent in the v.a., and they have people that are stealing. you've seen that. if you look at phoenix and what's gone on in phoenix where they can't even fire the people, they found people that are stealing and found people that are very dishonest, they can't even get rid of them. all of that will change. the v.a., you're going to be so proud of what you have. we're going to take it and you'll be so proud of what you have, believe me. [ applause ] >> just to highlight. up with of the things you have talked about is accountability

of the people that are serving our veterans in the veterans administration and the veterans administration system, the whole system. and i think for all of us accountability is probably something, not just in the veterans administration but in government as a whole. okay, so we're goingics and tal refugee policies that we see bubbling underneath us here coming into this country, some of the challenges that we face. what do you think of hillary clinton's current refugee policies and how do they differ from your own? >> look, she's a did sagser in so many different ways, folks. [ cheers and applause ] i dent even think she believes it herself. she was fraugbrought so far lef bernie and the group and i think we're going to get bernie people

because of trade if you want to know the truth. a lot of bernie people are coming with us because the one thing he was right about is the fact that our country is being ripped off like never before on these trade deals. nafta has been a disaster for the united states. it's destroyed our country and that's one thing he got right and a lot of people liked him because of trade more so than anything else. but when it comes to immigration, first of all she thinks that everything is more or less fine. she wants to allow 650% increase over and above what obama's allowing to come in from syria and the middle east. 650%. and he's already allowing thousands and thousands of people in. and we don't know where they're coming from. you people know because we're military people. we don't know where they're coming from. you see the damage that one person can do, you have to look anywhere. whether it's two people that got

married and san bernardino, you see san bernardino they're getting thrown a party, a shower party or a baby party and then a short while later they go and kill 14 people folks, we have to figure it out. we have to be careful and vigilant and strong and she wants to allow a 550% increase. i was very -- very interesting, she wants to allow 500% more coming in from that region the press said i was wrong. i said oh, what's the real number? 550. [ laughter ] so that time -- it was true. but 550% increase of people coming from syria in that part of the world. i want to build safe havens and we'll have other people build them, by the way. we'll have other people fund them. we'll lead the charge but, you

know, barack obama barack obama has doubled during his fairly short period of years he's doubled our national debt. doubled it. it's going to be close to $20 trillion when he leaves. $20 trillion. so we have to get rid of at least a good portion of that. we all have big hearts we just can't allow these people into our country until we find out what's going on. we can't do it. we can't do it. [ cheers and applause ] >> and they also impact our health care system and all the other costs so it's very, very important. >> by the way, you have illegal immigrants treated better than

veterans. you have people that are treated better than people in this room. they are treated better than veterans. and let me tell you, folks, they got their priorities mixed up. that will change so fast, okay? we have a couple of people, mayor rudy giuliani. [ cheers and applause ] stand up, rudy. they love him. what he did, he took a city that was a disaster, he took new york city and he made it great. think of it, made it great again. so, rudy, great to see you. and eric trump's wife laura is here and she's done a fantastic job. [ applause ] laura has been working very hard in particular in north carolina

but also helping with virginia, we have some people in virginia, mike rabino and the group, they have been amazing and hopefully we can get everybody registered because we have to win. virginia is a very important state. we have to win virginia. thank you. >> so speaking of disasters, the iran nuclear deal. iran has -- we're talking about putting nukes into the hands of an ayatollah that says "death to america, death to israel" and they continue to fire ballistic missiles all the time in violation of the deal. but iran has engaged in growing hostilities, has increasingly shown that they have nuclear ambitions and as president what are you going to do about iran? >> first of all, if you look at the policies of hillary clinton and barack obama they have created what will be a world power.

they have been rich, they have become powerful. how about the $400 million in cash that we gave them flown in -- obviously for hostages. that was the big lie, just like obamacare was a big lie, this was a big lie. [ applause ] and 400 -- think of it, $400 million in cash and they kept the hostages, remembered the nothing to do with the hostages but the hostages weren't allowed to leave the airport until such time and then they came. who ever heard of $400 million in cash, different denominations, different countries, all different money from different countries. who has the power to authorize something like this? so we've created in three years,

four years if you look at -- if you look at iran from four, five years ago they were dying. they had the sanctions, the fattahs -- they were being choked to death and they were dying, they weren't even going to be much of a threat, they didn't have anything going and now they're a power. we've made them a power. overnight we've made them a power. number one, they're highly threatening to the state of israel, they are so bad for israel. obama has been so bad to israel. they're a threat to us. they're going to have nuclear weapons and this path will be a quicker path to nuclear weapons the deal is incompetent and i don't know if you saw the other day we have the boats going out making all s ohorrib gestures. they learned the gestures, i guess, they studied the united states and gave those kind of gestures to our sailors and captain on the boats and i bet those guys wanted to blow them out of the water.

[ laughter and applause ] i bet they wanted to blow them. [ applause [ applause ] so you see these four little boats circling, circling, going around, taunting, taunting. it's like they've been emboldened. we made a deal that's such a great deal for them and they now feel power. they feel power. remember the sailors, the ten sailors who were a little bit off that were in the water? so instead of saying hey, you're in our water, please go over there, they humiliated our country, they humiliated those 10 people and the only reason we got them back -- of course you would have gotten them back very fast if i was president, that i can tell you. but the only reason -- [ applause ] the only reason we got them back was the payment the following day was due. a lot of the money the following day was due and stupid they're not and they wanted to get that. but think of what's going on here. we made this deal, we just -- we

made them a power and we also happened to have given them iraq because iraq -- you know i always say iraq and iran were very similar militarily and they'd fight, fight, fight, then they'd rest, fight, fight, fight, then saddam hussein would do the gas and somebody else would do something else and they'd rest. we knocked out the one. a lot of people don't realize that iraq has some of the greatest oil reserves anywhere in the world so iran i going to get whatever isis doesn't already have and probably take that, too, by the way. what we've done to create a major, major power through really stupid leaders, stupidity, is just shocking. it's one of the dumbest deals i've ever seen. john kerry is a terrible negotiator. [ applause ] but don't forget, this was a deal that crooked hillary clinton wanted. she wanted this deal. this was a very important deal

and she wanted that deal and most people don't even get it. normally you understand a deal, you say, yeah, i understand, we get this, we get -- we get nothing. we get nothing. this was the a deal at the highest level of incompetence. the deal with iran was at the highest level of incompetence. so we'll solve that problem if i get the chance, believe me and if i get the chance you'll be very happy. you'll be very happy. [ applause ] >> that's good. >> just to remind everybody, iran is still designated by the united states state department as the leading state sponsor of terrorism and we've put them on a path to a nuclear swope pretty amazing what we've done. staying in the same region because this is something that all of us that have served in the armed forces over the last 15 years have been a part of and that's fighting al qaeda in iraq, now fighting isis and isis continues to expand their

operations. they have this caliphate they've established in syria and parts of iraq and they have launched attacks throughout the west. the latest count was somewhere between 22 and 25 countries that they have launched attacks in in the last two to three months and that's resulted in somewhere between 7,000 to 10,000 casualties around the world. just a stunning display of capability by isis. what is your response to isis? what do you believe we should be doing? >> you're looking at live pictures on the left side of your screen, donald trump speaking at an event taking place in the battleground state of virginia. specifically virginia beach, itself a military community. on the right that is the former secretary of state hillary clinton just beginning her remarks taking place in tampa florida. not far from the home of mcdill air force base. we will bring you to secretary clinton's remarks shortly. for the moment we'll continue to listen to donald trump.

>> we should have left a small force relatively small force as much as i didn't want to be there we should have left a small force and really isis just evolved out of all of the turmoil all of the weakness, all of the stupidity of decisions from hillary clinton. isis started off in a small area, now i read they're in 28 different states or nations. they want to minimize isis. we have too do something about it. we can't allow the chopping off of heads, the drowning of people in steel cages, the viciousness. we have to get countries affected by isis. a lot of people say as an example russia, hillary likes to

play tough with russia. putin looks at her and he laughs, okay? [ laughter and applause ] putin looks at hillary clinton and he smiles. boy would he like to see her. that would be easy. look how bad her decisions have been. virtually every decision she's made has been a loser. russia doesn't like isis any better than we do. wouldn't it be nice if we got along with russia and you could knock them out together? wouldn't that be a good thing as opposed to tough talk? she tries to do the tough talk and then she leaves -- you know, she goes. i watched it yesterday on the airplane talking tough about russia then she turned around and sat down which, by the way, wasn't even played on the national media so we have to get along with people we have to get along with certain nations

because it would be awfully good to have russia and others with us on major attacks on isis. >> and to stay on isis a bit, because this is a really -- i think this is an important topic and it's certainly at the -- one of the national security threats that our country faces today. you have described at times different components of a strategy, military, cyber, financial, and ideological, can you just expand on those four a little bit? >> that's it. signer is becoming so big today. it's becoming something that a number of years ago, a short number of years ago wasn't even a word. now signer is so big. part of it is the psychology because so many people think they're winning and there's a whole big thing. even today's psychology where cnn came out with a big poll, their big poll came out today that trump is winning. it's good psychology, you know?

good psychology. [ applause ] i know that for a fact that people didn't call me yesterday are calling me today. we're doing really well. so many different places have been so incredible so i thank you very much. but cyber has been very, very important and it's becoming more and more important as you look and a lot of it does have to do with ideology and psychology and we're in a different world today than we were in 20 years ago, 30 years ago. one of the biggest problems that we have to knock him out is because the weaponry is so powerful today you could have said they have rifles, we have rifles, we shoot, they have uniforms, we have uniforms, this is a whole different war. the weaponry is so powerful and we have to beat them over there we're allowing people to come

over here. think of it you're military people, we're allowing people to come over here. i used to watch the migration and i'd see people with cell phones i'd say where do they get cell phones? some of those people had very horrible things on their cell phones, including the isis flag and you say what are we doing? but we're allowing people to come here and we don't know. do they turn on us? are a small percentage of them bad? because if a small percentage is bad that's not acceptable. we can't take the risk. just a small percentage can do such damage so we can't take the risk. [ applause ] so we have to get very tough or we won't have a country left, i can tell you that right now. [ applause ] >> and staying in the same region of the world because there's so much going on and it's just unraveling in front of

our eyes and this has to do with syria and there's been a bunch of different discussion about what to do with assad. do you support regime change in syria? >> look, we have a problem, it's called isis. isis is fighting syria. now we've built up iran to be a big power. iran is on the side of assad, syria. russia is on the side of assad, syria. so we build these people up. we created this strong power in're which seriously folks you know better than anybody, four years ago they were dying, they were gasping for air. and all we had to do is let them sit for longer. double up your sanctions, you could have really negotiated a deal. how kerry never left that deal was incredible. everybody knew it was bad. they're dancing all over the streets all over iran and literally they're all celebrating, shouting "death to

america" "dumb americans" what they're saying is incredible. they're saying death to israel this is in the middle of the negotiation. if i had a negotiation like that i'd say let's check this negotiation, something isn't going very well. he never left the table once. if he would have left that table and said i'm sorry -- first of all, we should have gotten our hostages back before we started the negotiation, okay? [ applause ] 100%. and veshd have sa-- very nicely with respect, sorry folks. and then you leave the room. they're going say no, we're not giving you hostages back, say that's okay, don't worry about it. get up, leave, get back to your plane, double up the sanctions, they will call you before you arrive back in washington or wherever you're going turn the plane around in midair, your hostages are coming back. not $400 million in cash that we have to give. believe me."

it's not like 99%, it's 100% you leave, you say very nicely -- i always tell the story of my father, a very good negotiator, he taught me so much. he'd say -- are you listening to this, ivanka? [ laughter ] he'd say -- he thought i was too tough. he'd say "son, take the lumps out." did you ever hear this story? my father fred, he'd say "nice and easy, just relax, take the lumps out." and so i was thinking in the old days i would have said we're not giving you anything. i would have made the room very angry. now i just say sorry, we owe $20 trillion, we don't have the money. we can't do it. we can't do it we don't. how do we pay them? we keep the $150 billion, but with the hostages you say we have to have it back.

they played up the hostages because that's the sign of the big brave iran. you double up the sanctions, leave the room and within 48 hours you'll have your hostages back. they didn't do that. kerry never walked. the only time he walked is when he entered a bicycle race. can you believe this guy? 73 years old. he fell off his bicycle and broke his leg and he was out of the negotiation for three or four weeks. and they probably did better in the negotiation when he wasn't there. he should have left the negotiation and doubled up the sanctions and get what he wants that deal is a disaster for us. a shorter road to nuclear weapons and it's an incompetently negotiated deal. we will fix them.

a place where members of isis now come into europe, they come into the united states and it's really has to do with libya. so since 2011 with the removal of qaddafi, libya has turned into a safe haven for isis. it's also one of the shipment points for these refugees leaving coming into europe and the united states. what would you do in libya to defeat isis and just talk about your commander-in-chief philosophy for how you would deal with this. >> just another place they've taken over. this was a hillary clinton deal. he was begging, he wanted to make a deal, he wanted to do whatev whatever. qaddafi was so strong. he knew what was going to happen. but she was unyielding. it's a total disaster libya right now.

you know they have among the finest quality oils anywhere in the world. their oil is so valuable, so good and you know who has that oil right now? isis, isis has it. so we knock them out and isis now is all over libya and they've taken over the oil. i've been saying this for years, folks, keep the oil. shouldn't have been there. if you get out, keep the oil. and we should have kept the oil and we didn't. we didn't keep the oil anywhere, we got out. we spent -- i've been saying $2 trillion for years. i'm now hearing $4 trillion. and think of it, what do we have? less than what we had 15 years ago. it's a disaster. it's a total disaster on top of which you have to migration which is destroying europe. look at miracle, what happened to her in the election is

incredible. germany a disaster now. france is a disaster. i have friends that love the city of lights. i said to one of my friends the other day "how was paris this summer? "he always goes. he said "i don't goer there. it's not the same place. that's not paris anymore. we're destroying our planet. we're destroying ourselves. you look at the election results, they were so bad. people were saying i think she'll be okay. i don't think so. i was saying why would she be okay? millions of people go into germany. the crime is unbelievable. the problems they're having is unbelievable and hillary clinton wants to be the merkel of the united states, okay? i don't think so. >> i want to stay on this issue because this is important. we have an awful lot of troops deployed in what i would describe as this perpetual state of conflict over in iraq, in

syria, afghanistan and elsewhere. we have 5,000 troops in iraq. through hillary clinton, secretary kerry, the obama administration over the last eight years they have not developed a coherent strategy. >> as i predicted years ago, iran is controlling iraq. and they here in there now and they have -- we have just -- you know, they've wanted it for decades and decades and decades and we gave it to them. because you had two militaries that were equal they fight, fight, fight, they rest. they fight, fight, fight, they move ten feet this way, go home and rest. we've handed it to them on a silver platter. when i say about the deal we

made for them or with them on the $150 billion deal i always said that's one of the best deals i've ever seen. not really. the best deal is we have given them iraq with among the largest and finest oil reserves in the world. we've given that to iran. if our presidents had stayed home and gone to the beach or even gone out and played golf every single day, played two rounds a day [ laughter and applause ] -- which obama almost does. i think he's played -- golf is wonderful. i think he's played 300 rounds of golf or something like that. that's more golf than many members on the pga tour. it's a very serious problem but if they had done nothing we

would have been in much better shape. the middle east now is a total catastrophe. between the migration and all of the problem and death and i'm talking death on both sides. they blow up a city and say two people were wounded. you know the real numbers, the real numbers are astronomical. astronomical. we are going to solve the isis problem but we have to solve it big league and strongly and swiftly but we have to get back to rebuilding our country because our country is going to held. our infrastructure is a disaster. our roads, our bridges, our tunnels, our hospitals, our school

schools we go into afghanistan build a school, they blow it up, we go back, blow it up, yet if we need a school in virginia or brooklyn, new york, or we need a school in iowa there's no money. what are we doing. >> i think the real issue -- and you have hit on this quite a bit is how our homeland security impacts everything we do overseas and vice versa. >> the one thing i have to say the people in our military are amazing. >> they're amazing. we don't take care of them because the vets aren't being

taken care of. we don't take care of them in the field because the equipment is old and tired. a friend of mine has a son who's been in iraq for quite a while going back and forth to different places in the middle east and he's a fine young man and hadn't been wounded badly. i don't think he's very much affected but he said the thing that is most discouraging to them is when he looks at the other side having better equipment than they do because we give better equipment to the people we thinken r on our side then a bullet is fired and they run. i always talk about the 2,300 humvee, armor plated. if our young people would have had those humvees they wouldn't be walking around without legs and arms right now, believe me. believe me. they just take them. so -- and he said it so discouraging for our soldiers when they see the quality of

equipment the other side has, isis, and they see it's better than what we have and it's our equipment and those kids are incredible people. but they lose their spirit. >> i want to talk about north korea, north korea is probably one of the most belligerent countries on the planet with kim ikim il jong and they have grown more belligerent under the obama administration. what do you see overall is your strategy for north korea? >> it's not that they've done unbelievable things but they're in the process of doing it. they have no respect for our country, none whatsoever and we have a situation that's a

potential catastrophe. we have somebody that does have nuclear capability. the carrier maybe is not there yet but it soon will be. we have a man who is -- he's over 25 years old and now it looks like he geetsing more and more hostile i would say china, this is your baby, you solve the problem. china can solve that problem. and remember this -- [ applause ] that's a big problem china has total control over north korea but they say they don't. they want to tweak us. look at our president, they wouldn't even give him stairs to come out of air force one. [ laughter ] and they probably say on that, gee, we couldn't get them there. when i saw that yesterday -- did everybody see that? where he couldn't get off the

plane? so he had to get off on the kind that dropped down but that's really meant for the crew so that when they fix the plane they go up the stairs. the whole thing is insane. i saw that yesterday with the stairs. the president went to saudi arabia and the top people didn't greet him, right? he went to cuba and castro, the brother, was not there to greet him. i said to myself if that happened, i'd hear he's not there to pay respect to the country, not him, to pay respect to our country, i would say "thank you very much, that's okay, close it up, boom, let's go back to washington. i would. i would." [ cheers and applause ] let's go back to washington. >> we've been listen to donald trump. this is a town hall event with his surrogate lieutenant governor michael flynn. trump limited in his specific policy solutions to handle foreign policy problems around the world. asked about whether he would

support regime change in syria, he did not answer. we want to listen to hillary clinton on the right side of your screen speaking in tampa, florida. let's listen live. >> no family should have to pay more than 10% of your income on child care. and right now you have a lot of states where it costs more more child care than tuition at college and university. i know you have child care here but as i told the president, i want to do more to help you to make sure every student parent has a safe place to bring their child while they're studying and working and trying to get their education. and then we're going to help everybody with student debt. how many of you have student debt? we're going to help you pay it back quickly. we'll get the interest rates down, give you new ways of paying it. right now we have too many

people laboring under student debt in a way that holds your own futures back so we're going to lift that burden and make sure you can get quality affordable health care. every age you are, every place you are we're going to get the cost down, premiums, co-pays, deductibles and especially prescription drug costs. [ cheers and applause ] and there are two other things we're going to take on because i've heard about this all across america. we're going to take on more people with mental health and addiction problems get the help you need. so i'm excited about what we can do to create an economy, an education and health care system that works and while we do it we can protect the rights of americans, all americans.

we have fought too hard, come too far. and that means civil rights and it means women's rights and gay rights and voter rights and workers' rights and disability rights. [ cheers and applause ] >> i believe with all my heart, i've done this work my entire life my first job out of law school was with the children's defense fund. one thing i needed to know is why kids who had disabilities were out of school. there were no requirements to go to school if you were blind, deaf, in a wheelchair. we changed the law. the first nation in the world to do that. i am so proud of our country.

these rights are not for somebody else. we all know somebody. we all know a woman. we all know somebody in a racial or ethnic minority. we all know a worker or a voter. we all know a gay person and w all know somebody with a disability. these are our rights and the kinds of things you've been hearing from donald trump demeaning, defaming groups of american americans people who have every right to be respected by someone who wants to be president of the united states and he stands there and mocks a reporter with a disability and he calls women pig pigs and he calls mexican immigrants rapists and criminals and he demeans muslims and attacks a gold star family whose son died in action in iraq? that's not who we are. so, yes, we have a lot of plans but we have values, my friends

and we're going to stand up for american values. [ applause ] our book also outlines how we'll keep our country safe from all thre threats. we'll work with our allies, not insult them. we'll stand up to our adversaries, not cozy up to them. we're going to have real plans, not claims and secret plans. this november this november, the american people have a big choice to make when it comes to national security. on the one hand we have donald trump. [ boos boos who has called the american military a disaster. who disrespects our military leaders by saying, and i quote, i know more about isis than the generals do.

his companies -- listen to this, because i know there are a lot of veterans and a lot of active duty people based here in tampa, his companies, trump companies have fired veterans because they had to take time off to fulfill their military commitments. [ boos ] and we all saw him disparage the khans, a gold star family who lost their on? a car bomb explosion in iraq as he ran toward it to prevent the loss of life. and when asked why he would insult a gold star family he suggested his sacrifices are somehow comparable to theirs. because he said, and again i quote, you can't make this up, [ laughter ] he said "i work very, very hard.

i've had tremendous success." his whole campaign has been one long insult to all those who've worn the uniform to protect our most cherished american values. and a man who is so wrong about our veterans isn't right to serve as our commander-in-chief and when it comes to fighting isis he has been all over the map. you would have to literally map it out. he's talked about letting syria become a free zone for isis. look at the map, donald. [ laughter ] he's talked about sending in american ground troops. not on my watch. that is not what we are going to do. [ cheers and applause ] he's even talked about using

nuclr weapons he's very loose in his talks about nukes. he says he doesn't care if other countries get them, doesn't know why they haven't been used already. i mean, it's so mind-boggling when i hear these things i say "that can't be true." and then they replay it for me again. [ laughter ] he says he has a secret plan to defeat isis but the secret is he has no plan. [ cheers and applause ] after all his talk the only thing that is clear is he has no clue about what he's talking about. and rather than work with our allies, he chooses to insult them. just last week in a few hours he managed to turn his trip to mexico into an embarrassing

international incident. he got into a twitter war with the president of mexico. he is temperamentally unfit and totally unqualified to be president of the united states. [ cheers and applause ] as president, i have a very different vision. as president i will give our military everything they need while serving overseas, i will support them with care and the benefits they need to deserve when they come back home including job training and mental health care. [ cheers and applause ] i will work closely with our allies not just to contain isis but defeat them. first we'll take out their stronghold in iraq and syria. second we'll dismantle their global terror infrastructure on the ground and online third,

we'll bolster our defenses including with an intelligence surge to protect us and our allies. we will do whatever is necessary for as long as it takes to bring isis to justice and end their reign of terror once and for al all. >> i will tell you this, i am a very patient person. i don't quit, i don't give up, i don't blink. this sunday will be the 15th anniversary of the attack of 9/11. i was a senator from new york, i knew people who were killed. i worked with families and the few survivors i worked to get the health care needed to get to the first